11/09/2011

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I'm the guy that which does Love and Capes.

7 Comments

  1. I’m surprised, if she never thought to Wiki him to find out all his titles 😛

  2. Ah, to find out right before the wedding that one’s fiance is technically nobility. 🙂

  3. Luckily seeing as Mark is the (I believe) first born son that means that said nobility does in fact expand to include Abby by right of marriage.

  4. After just a bit of research (Thanks, Wikipedia!) CVO is not a title that grants nobility. Lieutenant of the Victorian Order, and Member of the Victorian Order, the two ranks above Commander, do.

  5. Also, CVO is only extended to citizens of the commonwealth, meaning that his CVO is honourary.

  6. Actually it IS possible for a non-British citizen to be awarded a British knighthood. There are certain orders that require British citizenship but not all of them. When the recipient isn’t a member of the empire though, the appointment is considered honorary and the recipient isn’t entitled to use the “Sir” designation, though they can put KBE after their name.

  7. Actually Member and Lieutenant are the two lowest ranks of the Royal Victorian Order. It’s the only order still in the gift of the Sovereign, as the others are all now granted by her at the “advice” of the government in power. CVO is one step below being knighted, he’d have to be a Kinght Commander (KCVO) or Knight Grand Cross (GCVO) to be granted the “Sir” honorific.

    Mark’s not nobility either, at least not by British custom and legislation. The RVO is an order of chivalry, whereas the term nobility refers to the peerage, i.e. those holding titles such as Baronnet, Baron, Viscount, Earl, Marquis or Duke. These also are no longer in the gift of the Sovereign – iirc the last new Earldom created was Field Marshall Haig after WWI, nothing above Viscount has been bestowed since the early 1920s.

    Substantive membership of the RVO, i.e. the right to use the prefix “Sir” is granted to Commonwealth citizens but anybody can be awarded the honour, regardless of nationality, as with the other orders of knighthood, allowing them to use the letters after their name but not the honorific. Dwight Eisenhower was a Knight Grand Cross of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath (GCB) and Omar Bradley a Knight Commander (KCB).

    So yeah, in the UK Mark would be plain “mister” even if he was knighted, although the media would probably refer to him as Sir like they do with Bob Geldof (a citizen of the Republic of Ireland). Anyway, “Sir Crusader” would sound daft 😀

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